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 Post subject: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:43 pm 
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I thought that it could be cool to have a pool of hardest games (game settings including seed, no need for saved games since those can lose compatibility over time).
Then people could try others' challenges and even compete among them, "who can beat this map before turn 150?" and the such, until L29Ah comes, beats every map in half our marks and calls us all weaks for playing against AIs xD
There are some hard games already posted in the forum, here and there, but having a dedicated thread for it could be handy.
Feel free to share your experiences and sorrows along the game settings.


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:22 pm 
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Playing against humans has more challenges that playing against AI.

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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:23 pm 
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Obviously! But I'm rather inconstant in front of a computer.


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:14 pm 
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How close are maps from the same seed/settings in different versions?


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:29 am 
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defaultuser wrote:
How close are maps from the same seed/settings in different versions?


Good question, because I noticed in replaying the same game in the Nerf Egassem
thread that many times the system specials are not the same even with the same
seed. Map layout identical. System specials can be different.


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:42 am 
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And monsters, I think.


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:03 am 
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Theoretically, everything made by Galaxy Generation stuff (in Python) is the same, this should include specials. But stuff created by scripts on turn 0/1 will be different: this includes guardian monsters, monster nests, drone factories and the Experimentors.

If you've got a provable case of specials not being repeated and those are definitely not nest style specials please open an Issue with as much detail as possible, same for differences across platform of any type, it's a design objective that the same seed should be the same map across all platforms.

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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:24 pm 
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In my experience in very limited testing, specials remained the same


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:36 pm 
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When I played this game the first time I got Ancient Ruins at Duna Gamma
and Propus Alpha and so did Oberlus. We got different techs from them
but they were the same special. When I played it again I got Probiotic Soup
at both locations.

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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:17 pm 
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Would it make a difference whether Experimentors were enabled or not?
I always disable them, but sometimes I forget.


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:23 pm 
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EricF wrote:
Would it make a difference whether Experimentors were enabled or not?
That's definitely a possibility. Specials placement happens after monster placement, so differences in monster placement might impact specials placement. And wether Experimentors are enabled or not has an impact on monster placement, so...


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:49 am 
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I can confirm that disabling the experimenters does change the
system specials.


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:45 pm 
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Ha. Just slightly bottled up:

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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
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Yea, way worse than the one I had.
Curious to see if you manage to beat this one. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Hardest games ever
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:35 pm 
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EricF wrote:
Curious to see if you manage to beat this one. :lol:

At least, he doesn't have to worry about an early invasion. 8)


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