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 Post subject: Lithic growth specials
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:20 am 
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Hey guys

I recently started a new game as Egassem, and got exobots. Colonising heaps of asteroids, I set them all to the growth focus, to export the Silmaline crystals (boosts lithic population). I find that on planets inhabited by Egassem, I'm not actually getting these bonuses. However, there is a single asteroid belt, which I am getting the bonus. I've check all my planets are connected by supply, and that I've set all the asteroids to the growth focus (and yes they do all have the Silmaline crystals special). The only difference between the single asteroid belt actually giving the growth focus, is that there is another planet inhabited by Egassem in the same system. All other asteroids belts are by themselves in the system.

Is this a feature or a bug? Do growth specials not stack? I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen before.

Thanks in advance

Edit: Version is 0.4.7.1 [unknown build, sorry!]


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:06 am 
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They don't, and never should have, stack. One per empire is all you need, pick the one without a gas giant and you're good.

(at some point I'm going to test giving some of the lithic species hostile for asteroids rather than uninhabitable, but I suspect loads of balance issues even though it was clearly intended some would be able to way back when)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:49 am 
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Oh okay. Could there be some sort of text in the pedia saying that exported growth specials don't stack?

Plus asteroids for egassem sounds good, as they've got a narrow planet tolerance anyway, and the 300% industry isn't as powerful as it sounds early game. Anyways, thanks for the reply, that cleared things up for me.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:44 am 
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To clarify a little bit; From the Pedia:

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The Growth Focus represents exporting rare materials and substances that can increase population of planets. Is only available in certain situations: on some homeworlds, and on planets with growth specials that can be exported.

A planet focused on Growth increases the max Population only of other planets connected to it by Supply lines.

A Homeworld focused on Growth only helps other planets of the same species.

Growth Special planets focused on growth only help a single classification of species. Some specials function for organic species only, some for lithic species only, and some for robotic species only.

Organic Metabolism specials:
Caretaker's Fruit | Ki Spice | Probiotic Soup

Robotic Metabolism specials:
Monopole Magnets | Ambient Superconductors | Positronium Ash

Lithic Metabolism specials:
Ferric Minerals | Native Elerium | Silmaline Crystals


You gain the growth bonus from each special, but just once from each different type.
So if you are Lithic you can gain the growth bonus special from Ferric Minerals and Native Elerium and Silmaline Crystals.
So it does stack to a very limited extent.
There should be a mention of this in the Pedia entry.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:01 am 
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Agreed, I thought we'd added it in, oversite. I think it probably needs to be added to
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'''The Growth Focus represents exporting rare materials and substances that can increase population of planets. Is only available in certain situations: on some homeworlds, and on planets with growth specials that can be exported.

A planet focused on Growth increases the max Population only of other planets connected to it by [[metertype METER_SUPPLY]] lines.

A Homeworld focused on Growth only helps other planets of the same species.

[[GROWTH_SPECIALS_ENTRY_LIST]]'''
added to the line starting "A planet focused on Growth". Without making it too cumbersome, can anyone suggest a precise wording that covers the specials and the homeworld focus and makes it clear you can get the bonus once per type of source (normally 3 specials plus homeworld max).

Oh, and open an Issue when the wording's making sense so we don't forget?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:22 am 
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Maybe something like this:

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A planet focused on Growth increases the max. Population only of other planets connected to it by [[metertype METER_SUPPLY]] lines, and only if there is no other planet exporting the same grow special connected to the same [[metertype METER_SUPPLY]] line.


(BTW: max ain't a word but an abbreviation, it requires the dot.)


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:48 am 
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Oberlus wrote:
max ain't a word but an abbreviation, it requires the dot.
It is used as a full word quite commonly. If it bothers you, write out "maximum". Writing "max." would be like writing "cab." or "rhino." or "ad.".

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/spelling/shortenings
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You do not need to use a full stop unless the shortening is one created specifically for use in writing, for example:

Dec. December
Tue. Tuesday
etc. et cetera

I think "max" is used as often in speech as the longer form, unlike those examples.

I would also add that unit sumbols are normally not written with periods, eg. BTC, AU, cm, kgm/s^2 even though those are primarily used for writing.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:59 pm 
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Fair enough :)


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:13 pm 
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Also need to take into account the species type type the growth special is for.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:52 pm 
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Oberlus wrote:
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A planet focused on Growth increases the max. Population only of other planets connected to it by [[metertype METER_SUPPLY]] lines, and only if there is no other planet exporting the same grow special connected to the same [[metertype METER_SUPPLY]] line.


I don't really like combining this new information about Growth Specials with the information about Supply-connectedness. Supply connection applies to all Growth focus (including homeworld growth focus), while the new information is specific to Growth Specials.

I would recommend adding the information to a new paragraph instead:

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A Homeworld focused on Growth only helps other planets of the same species. 

Population increases due to Growth Specials are limited to one increase for each Special (for example, a planet inhabited by an Organic Species is limited to one bonus from Caretaker's Fruit, one from Ki Spice, and one from Probiotic Soup).


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:16 am 
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It all applies to both, you can have more than one homeworld for a species, either set on growth will give you the bonus, both won't help. So it needs to be clear that it applies to all.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:39 am 
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I sort of feel like i commandeered this a bit. I do prefer my general approach to Oberlus's (going for a focus more on incoming specials to the planet rather than the 'only if' type description), but Oberlus's isn't bad either, imo, if other people like that better.

Anyways here's my next try:

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A Homeworld focused on Growth only helps other planets of the same species.  Only one homeworld bonus can apply to a planet (even in the case of multiple homeworlds of a single species).

Similarly, population increases due to Growth Specials are limited to one increase for each Special. (For example, a planet inhabited by an Organic Species is limited to one bonus from Caretaker's Fruit, one from Ki Spice, and one from Probiotic Soup).


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:51 am 
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Can string table entry reference other entries? You mention Ki Spice and Caretaker's fruit in the example. Translators would need to make sure that the names in example are translated exactly as they are outside the example.

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em3 wrote:
Can string table entry reference other entries? You mention Ki Spice and Caretaker's fruit in the example. Translators would need to make sure that the names in example are translated exactly as they are outside the example.
They need to be links to the Pedia name entry, then yes, they can, you can even include a different pedia entry, the macro system is quite powerful.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:15 pm 
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MatGB wrote:
They need to be links to the Pedia name entry, then yes, they can, you can even include a different pedia entry, the macro system is quite powerful.
In this case it would indeed make sense to use links.

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