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research, progress

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:00 am
by Travbon
the change in the points of research is very slow. plus 1. I tried to set the maximum high, the change is the same.

the course is very long. the first two in the area of 5 minutes. further up to 30 minutes. does not save when exiting. saving is every move, you can not save it manually. inactive button.

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Re: research, progress

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:48 pm
by Dilvish
Travbon wrote:
Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:00 am
the change in the points of research is very slow. plus 1. I tried to set the maximum high, the change is the same.
Right, the base rate of change for planetary meters is +/- 1 per turn (except for population, which has a more complex formula). Certain techs can increase the rate of change for certain meters. Meters having a max (like planet defense) will always be capped by that max, so switching from defense focus to something else can cause a big swing, not just -1/turn.
the course is very long. the first two in the area of 5 minutes. further up to 30 minutes.
I don't understand what you are talking about there.

does not save when exiting. saving is every move, you can not save it manually. inactive button.
The game does autosave when exiting, unless you've disabled that or force the game to terminate before the save is complete. The default is once per turn, but you can adjust that in the Options. At the very start of a turn the save button is inactive while the AI's are preparing their orders, which are needed for the save. Late in the game that can take a while, but it will become active again.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:13 am
by Travbon
the time of one stroke is very large.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:08 am
by Oberlus
Travbon wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:13 am
the time of one stroke is very large.
I assume you mean the time to resolve a turn (between hitting "TURN" and being able to play next turn).
What are your computer specs? CPU/processor, RAM/memory, GPU/graphics, operating system...
What are the galaxy settings of your current game? Number of planetary systems, number of AI players...

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 am
by Travbon
150 stars. 40 opponents. 8 GB of RAM, video 7770 ati. Processor 7750 amd athlon x2

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:43 pm
by Oberlus
Travbon wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 am
150 stars. 40 opponents. 8 GB of RAM, video 7770 ati. Processor 7750 amd athlon x2
Then you should curb your expectations. Your CPU is not fast nor has good parallel performance.

Try a game with 150 systems and 6 opponents. 40 opponents means 40 threads of AI processing, that's probably your main bottleneck here.
If turn processing is fine with 6 opponents you can try more, but I recommend finishing a game like that first to see how does it behaves on late game (when turns require much more processing than at the start of a game). If that happens, you can try with less systems (usually 15-25 per player).

Side note: the galaxy generation algorithm has some minimum number of systems per opponent, I think it's 5 (maybe 10), so a game with 40 opponents (plus you) is at least 205 systems.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:47 pm
by Travbon
In addition, I want to thank you, the creators of the game, for the wonderful game. very interesting tree of research.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:51 pm
by Travbon
is it possible to somehow change the change in research points, and production?those that + 1 / -1.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:30 pm
by Geoff the Medio
Travbon wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:51 pm
is it possible to somehow change the change in research points, and production?those that + 1 / -1.
Try changing the 1's to something else on the "SetResearch" and "SetIndustry" lines in this file: https://github.com/freeorion/freeorion/ ... macros#L12

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:14 pm
by defaultuser
Travbon wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 am
150 stars. 40 opponents. 8 GB of RAM, video 7770 ati. Processor 7750 amd athlon x2
40 opponents? Basically just melee then.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:32 pm
by Oberlus
defaultuser wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:14 pm
40 opponents? Basically just melee then.
IIRC, the closest you can have an enemy homeworld is 3 or 4 hops away, even if you set it 40 stars and 40 players.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:10 am
by Travbon
Try changing the 1's to something else on the "SetResearch" and "SetIndustry" lines in this file: https://github.com/freeorion/freeorion/ ... macros#L12
Fine thanks.
sorry that do not understand in Russian. I am from Russia

Re: research, progress

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:40 am
by Oberlus
Travbon wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:51 pm
is it possible to somehow change the change in research points, and production?those that + 1 / -1.
Geoff the Medio wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:30 pm
Try changing the 1's to something else on the "SetResearch" and "SetIndustry" lines in this file: https://github.com/freeorion/freeorion/ ... macros#L12
Travbon wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:10 am
Fine thanks. sorry that do not understand in Russian. I am from Russia
Edit this file:
<PATH TO YOUR FREEORION INSTALLATION FOLDER>/default/scripting/species/common/general.macros

Locate these two lines:

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                SetResearch value = Value + min(max(Value(Target.TargetResearch) - Value, -1), 1)
                SetIndustry value = Value + min(max(Value(Target.TargetIndustry) - Value, -1), 1)
The two "-1" control the speed of meter decreasing.
The two "1" control the speed of meter increasing.

Try this change (edit the file, save it, restart FreeOrion):

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                SetResearch value = Value + min(max(Value(Target.TargetResearch) - Value, -3), 3)
                SetIndustry value = Value + min(max(Value(Target.TargetIndustry) - Value, -3), 3)
You'll get that each planetary meter of Industry or Research will increase (or decrease) by 3 (instead of 1) each turn.

This will make every planet to reach its current maximum value faster, but you won't notice a great speed up of the game pace in general.
If what you want is to be able to get technologies and finish ships faster, there is an option in the GUI that you can adjust before starting a game, to make technologies and items cost more or less points. I'm sorry I can't start FreeOrion in this computer to show you an screenshot, but I think it is easy to fine, in the screen where you configure the galaxy (number of stars, opponents, etc.).

Also, you can change the base production and research you get from population, defined in the file /default/scripting/common/base_prod.macros. Change the INDUSTRY_PER_POP and RESEARCH_PER_POP values for greater ones to get more PPs and RPs from your planets.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:47 pm
by Travbon
Благодарю за помощь. Если понадобится помощь в тестировании или ещё какая, обращайтесь.

Thank you for your help. If you need help with testing or something else, please contact.

Re: research, progress

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:48 pm
by Oberlus
Oberlus wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:32 pm
defaultuser wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:14 pm
40 opponents? Basically just melee then.
IIRC, the closest you can have an enemy homeworld is 3 or 4 hops away, even if you set it 40 stars and 40 players.
I was wrong. The minimum number of systems per player is 3, but the algorithm may fail to spread out the homeworlds. See attachment (galaxy setting was systems 10 and players 10). So yes, melee!