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Re: better tech descriptions

#31 Post by yoshi » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:44 am

if i may make a request about the techs. dont use radius effects. because it is impossible for a human to judge how far 100 or 50 or 75 is

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Re: better tech descriptions

#32 Post by Geoff the Medio » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:47 am

yoshi wrote:if i may make a request about the techs. dont use radius effects. because it is impossible for a human to judge how far 100 or 50 or 75 is
It will be. Ships and engines will have speeds that players can compare numerically, to give a sense of these distances. And eventually I'd also like to add a scale indicator on the galaxy map, similar to real maps or the auto-scaling one seen at the bottom left of google maps, which indicates the real distance represented by a distance on the map.

Edit: also, this post still applies...

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Re: better tech descriptions

#33 Post by yoshi » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:49 am

Geoff the Medio wrote:You seem to be missing the point...
yoshi wrote:if the enemy is also a player then he will read "your empire" meaning his empire and not his enemies as well. so both players see that the tech they are researching effects either only thier empire only thier enemies or both as it is written in the tech or building description in plain english
Players can look at techs they are not or have not yet researched, including techs that other empires, which may or may not be human players (this is irrelivant), have researched, or which no empire has researched. "your empire" only works if the tech is being researched or has been researched by the player who is reading the text, and the text can be read regardless of whether the tech is being researched by anyone, including the human player reading the text.

In particular, if an AI empire researches the tech, and the player discovers this, and the player reads the text and is informed by the text about what is supposedly happening to the player's empire (ie. "your empire") when this is not the case, because the tech has not been researched by the player's empire.

Again: If an enemy empire researches a tech which affect only the researching empire's planets, then the player's (your) planets will not be affected, and the tech description should not say "your planets" which means "the player's planets" because those planets are not affected by the tech.
yoshi wrote:except we do have techs and lots and lots of buildings that only effects the builders empire.
For techs we could write "the researcher", which means "the researching empire".

For buildings, we could write "the owner" which means "the empire that owns the building". We can't write "the builder" because a building might be captured or given away to an empire that didn't build it.

Neither of these can be replaced by "your empire" because "the builder" and "the researcher" are not always "the player".

true guess i kind of didnt think about espionage and reading what other have researched, good point and i like the researcher and the owner, though not as much as your empire

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Re: better tech descriptions

#34 Post by Sandlapper » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:53 am

Another attempt, to make less awkward (prior to Geoff Edit, hoping this may suffice anyway):

(not including building, now posted by Yoshi)
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Stellar Tomography

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a research bonus relative to the type of star it is in proximity to, provided the planet has a primary focus on science,

Planets around a blackhole will receive a +4 bonus toward research
Planets around a neutron star will receive a + 3 bonus toward research
Planets around a blue or white star will receive a + 2 bonus toward research
Planets around a red, orange or yellow star will receive a + 1 bonus toward research

Distributed Thought Network.

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a + 5 bonus toward maximum research, provided the planet has a primary focus on science,

Self Rotating Crops

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum farming, provided the planet has a primary focus on farming.

Habitation Domes

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum population, provided the planet has an environmental rating of poor or adequate.

Urban Farming

Any planet of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum farming, provided the planet has a primary focus on Industry and a minimum prudction of 20.

Enviro Mining

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a mining bonus, provided the planet has an environment rating of good, and a Primary Focus, or Secondary Focus, that meets the following criterea:

Planets with a Primary Focus of mining will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum mining.
Planets with a Primary Focus on balanced will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum mining.
Planets with a Secondary Focus on mining will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum mining.

Mining Engineering

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a mining bonus based on planet type, provided the planet has a primary focus on mining

Barren or Inferno type planets will receive a +4 bonus toward maximum mining.
Desert, Radiated, or Toxic type planets will recieve a +2 bonus toward maximum mining.
Tundra or Terran type planets will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum mining.

Exo Bots

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive an industry bonus relative to the size of a planet, provided the planet has a primary focus on industry.

Small or tiny sized planets will receive a +4 bonus toward maximum industry.
Medium sized planets will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum industry.
Large sized planets will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum industry.

Fusion Plants

All populated planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +3 bonus toward maximum industry.

Orbital Infrastructure

All populated planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum construction.

Subterranean Construction

All populated planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum construction.

Colonial Economics

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a + 3 bonus toward maximum trading, provided the planet has a primary focus on trade.

Etheral Economics.

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum trade;.and a -2 decrease toward maximum construction, provided the planet has a primary focus on trade.

Fleet Logistics

All planets of any empire completing research on this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum supply.

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Re: better tech descriptions

#35 Post by yoshi » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:01 am

Stellar Tomography

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a research bonus relative to the type of star it is in proximity to, provided the planet has a primary focus on science,

Planets around a blackhole will receive a +4 bonus toward research
Planets around a neutron star will receive a + 3 bonus toward research
Planets around a blue or white star will receive a + 2 bonus toward research
Planets around a red, orange or yellow star will receive a + 1 bonus toward research

Distributed Thought Network.

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a + 5 bonus toward maximum research, provided the planet has a primary focus on science,

Self Rotating Crops

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum farming, provided the planet has a primary focus on farming.

Habitation Domes

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum population, provided the planet has an environmental rating of poor or adequate.

Urban Farming

Any planet owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum farming, provided the planet has a primary focus on Industry and a minimum prudction of 20.

Enviro Mining

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a mining bonus, provided the planet has an environment rating of good, and a Primary Focus, or Secondary Focus, that meets the following criterea:

Planets with a Primary Focus of mining will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum mining.
Planets with a Primary Focus on balanced will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum mining.
Planets with a Secondary Focus on mining will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum mining.

Mining Engineering

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a mining bonus based on planet type, provided the planet has a primary focus on mining

Barren or Inferno type planets will receive a +4 bonus toward maximum mining.
Desert, Radiated, or Toxic type planets will recieve a +2 bonus toward maximum mining.
Tundra or Terran type planets will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum mining.

Exo Bots

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive an industry bonus relative to the size of a planet, provided the planet has a primary focus on industry.

Small or tiny sized planets will receive a +4 bonus toward maximum industry.
Medium sized planets will receive a +2 bonus toward maximum industry.
Large sized planets will receive a +1 bonus toward maximum industry.

Fusion Plants

All populated planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +3 bonus toward maximum industry.

Orbital Infrastructure

All populated planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum construction.

Subterranean Construction

All populated planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum construction.

Colonial Economics

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a + 3 bonus toward maximum trading, provided the planet has a primary focus on trade.

Etheral Economics.

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum trade;.and a -2 decrease toward maximum construction, provided the planet has a primary focus on trade.

Fleet Logistics

All planets owned by the reseacher of this technology will receive a +5 bonus toward maximum supply.


we should delete outdated posts to avoid confusion of future readers

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Re: better tech descriptions

#36 Post by Sandlapper » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:30 am

we should delete outdated posts to avoid confusion of future readers
Perhaps an edit in your first attempt referencing your last update on page three? If we leave the other attempts, other who may want to assist in updating the text, as you have done, will know the format desired (and how it was arrived at).

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Re: better tech descriptions

#37 Post by yoshi » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:32 am

thats as close as i know how to get it to the post

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