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How should Opinion and Stability effect each other?

Opinion should effect Stability.
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Stability should effect Opinion.
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Opinion and Stability

#1 Post by labgnome » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:29 pm

So there has been discussion on both "stability" mechanic for planets as a replacement for happiness, something I've warmed-up to quite a bit, and some kind of "opinion" or allegiance mechanic for species and empires particularly here. However one thing that there has not yet been a consensus on so-far is just how the two should interact. As this has also been discussed before, and various increasingly complex ideas have been spawned form it I thought I would reduce the problem to two simple options. No feedback loops. No extra complexity. As KISS as we can get with these things. Just picking one option over another. So I thought I would start a poll and discussion on the idea so see where we stand on the two options, and a discussion topic to flesh-out how we want to implement these effects. Hopefully we can arrive at a consensus on how we want to implement these systems into Free Orion while staying true to our design goals.

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  1. Opinion effects Stability: species will have opinions of various things an empire does, and these opinions will then effect the stability on their planets. Stability will not account towards or against opinion in any way. This will be in addition to specific effects or traits that directly act on stability. Specifically I am thinking that opinion should account for half of stability, with other effects covering the other half of stability.
  2. Stability effects Opinion: stability will be effected by various things done to planets and average stability will effect species opinion of the empire. Opinion will not effect stability in any way. This will be in addition to specific effects or traits that directly act on opinion. Specifically I am thinking that average stability should account for half of opinion with other effects covering the other half of opinion.
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Re: Opinion and Stability

#2 Post by Krikkitone » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:10 am

Definitely A

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Re: Opinion and Stability

#3 Post by labgnome » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:23 am

Krikkitone wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:10 am
Definitely A
Care to elaborate any on it?
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Re: Opinion and Stability

#4 Post by Krikkitone » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:39 am

Stability has an obvious game effect. planet rebels/can't do things, etc.

Species Opinion doesn't seem to have any sensible game effects that couldn't be worked through stability.

Also, stability could be keeping the population happy and selfactualized or effectively brutally repressed ...which seem like very different effects on species opinion.

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Re: Opinion and Stability

#5 Post by labgnome » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:06 am

Krikkitone wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:39 am
Species Opinion doesn't seem to have any sensible game effects that couldn't be worked through stability.
So would you do without opinion all-together?
Also, stability could be keeping the population happy and selfactualized or effectively brutally repressed ...which seem like very different effects on species opinion.
I could see that.
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Re: Opinion and Stability

#6 Post by Krikkitone » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:20 am

I would keep opinion, but its effect would be through stability

It would be important as a way to affect stability on an entire category of worlds (includes ones you don't currently own), as well as possibly having effects on ships (which have a particular species)

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Re: Opinion and Stability

#7 Post by Oberlus » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:13 am

I agree with Krikkitone.
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Re: Opinion and Stability

#8 Post by labgnome » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:32 pm

There hasn't been much activity, if there isn't much more I think I will proceed under the assumption that opinion influences stability. I had hoped more people would be interested but if it's just us, then I think I know how I will go. Namely I wanted a direction to go in before jumping back into discussions about the influence mechanic or species values with fresh ideas. Namely I want to have an idea of how opinion and stability work together before making concrete, and hopefully, largely final proposals as to what species values and influence projects we should have, and how those should work.
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Re: Opinion and Stability

#9 Post by Vezzra » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:58 pm

I know I'm late, doesn't matter as I cast my vote also in favor of opinion affecting stability. For all the reasons already cited.

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Re: Opinion and Stability

#10 Post by labgnome » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:21 pm

Vezzra wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:58 pm
I know I'm late, doesn't matter as I cast my vote also in favor of opinion affecting stability. For all the reasons already cited.
I think there is a general consensus in that direction.
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Re: Opinion and Stability

#11 Post by Vezzra » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:29 pm

labgnome wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:21 pm
I think there is a general consensus in that direction.
Unless I'm overruled by Geoff, I'd say there is more than just a general consensus, this matter is actually decided. :D

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